Teroid what sort of vehicle do you go off road with? i have seen alot of 4wd in books over here that are from america and they are beefed up to the max to our standards over here.( we would like to throw massive lift kits, wheels etc but law don't allow it) did you get right in to trials or just cruise and enjoy the open spaces. i used tohill climb ,mud run, alot of sand driving and enjoyed peace and quite surrounded by wilderness.