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06-16-2005, 07:17 AM
Hi everyone. I am new to this forum and have had diagnosed lupus for 2 years. I am a single mom with an eight year old boy and must work full time to support us. Fortunately, I currently work from home. Unfortunately, I find it difficult to work. When I am not sleeping, I feel disorganised and confused. Some days are better than others and I am worried about being able to keep this job.
I am excited about what I have heard about DHEA. Is there anyone on this board who takes it? What are your experiences? It seems to be available over the counter in the US, and I could probably get a prescription here in the UK.
Thank you in advance for your replies, and thank you for this forum.
06-18-2005, 10:34 AM
I take DHEA every morning, and lately, I've had a lot of energy. I've been wanting to sit outside more, and go places, as to before, I didn't want to do anything, or go -anywhere-. I recommend it. I think it's helped me a lot.
06-19-2005, 09:28 AM
Amanda109, thank you so much for answering. Are you in the US? How much DHEA do you take? How long were you taking it before you felt some differences? I also stay at home as much as possible and before, I was very active.
I take 2 mg prednisolone, plaquenil and celebrex every day. My doctor has also prescribed something to help me sleep plus I have some painkillers for the flare ups.
Have you been able to reduce any of your meds? This is such good news to find someone who is actually taking DHEA.
Thank you again... and let me know (as this is the first time on this type of board) if I should take this offline.
06-23-2005, 07:19 AM
Here is an article that I found in "Arthritis Today" about DHEA (Written by Judith Hortsman). It has some helpful information:
"It's been more than 20 years since there's been a new drug to treat lupus. Now patients and doctors alike are cautiously optimistic that a steroid hormone, DHEA, may have a role in treating mild-to-moderate lupus, a disease in which an over-active immune system mistakenly attacks healthy cells and tissue.
DHEA (which is short for the tongue-twister dehydroepiandrosterone) is no stranger to the spotlight or the marketplace. A nutritional product that's widely available, DHEA has been promoted as a miracle drug that can supposedly stop the ravages of aging, prevent cancer and heart disease, improve dispositions, increase energy, melt fat, refresh memory and jump-start a lagging sex drive. While DHEA is modestly effective in some of these areas, the jury is still out on most of these extravagant claims.
But there is some evidence that DHEA may ease certain lupus symptoms and reduce the need for other medication among patients who have lupus that affects only their skin and joints.
Both lupus researchers and doctors are quick to caution, however, that despite this good news no one should rush to self-medicate with off-the-shelf DHEA supplements. "Unsupervised use of a steroid hormone is dangerous," says Robert Lahita, MD, PhD, a lupus expert and chief of rheumatology at St. Luke's Roosevelt Hospital in New York. "This is a drug that can have far-reaching effects."
Where DHEA Comes From
DHEA naturally occurs in all mammals; it's a mild androgen (or male hormone) produced by the adrenal glands, and used by the body to make other powerful hormones including the sex hormones testosterone and estrogen.
DHEA supplements are made from extracts taken from the barbasco root, or wild Mexican yam. The plant extracts have to be chemically altered before they can be converted to DHEA in the body: The "natural," or unprocessed, plant extracts in some supplements can't be used by the human body.
DHEA has been available over the counter for some 50 years, but not without controversy. In the 1980s, the FDA declared DHEA a drug and banned sales. (Drugs can only be sold after passing FDA review for safety and efficacy.) But it returned to store shelves after a 1994 change in the law allowed it to be sold as a nutritional supplement. Some other countries - such as Canada and the United Kingdom - have banned over-the-counter DHEA sales or taken it off the market altogether.
Hormone On Trial
Researchers have been investigating DHEA's effect on lupus since the 1980s. Studies in humans, so far, have focused on women, who make up 90 percent of those with lupus. The first human study was published by Stanford University researchers in 1994. In 1998, a multi-center trial was completed. That second trial was sponsored by Genelabs Technology Inc., of Redwood City, Calif., a pharmaceutical company that has been developing and testing a synthesized DHEA product called GL701.
The Genelabs study, conducted on 191 women with lupus at 27 medical centers, showed that women who were taking 200 milligram doses of DHEA could reduce their daily dosage of prednisone and still have equivalent relief of pain, inflammation and fatigue. The women also reported that they felt better.
Another Genelabs-sponsored one-year, multi-center trial of 370 women with lupus is nearing completion; it's looking at whether GL701 also improves or stabilizes disease activity, such as rashes and frequency of flares. The trial ends in March, and some researchers are optimistic that a prescription DHEA lupus drug may be approved for use in mild-to-moderate cases within two to three years. The GL701 form of DHEA is not available outside the study.
Researchers aren't sure of the mechanism by which DHEA affects lupus. But they do have clues. They know that DHEA levels are low in women with lupus, and that DHEA increases testosterone and estrogen levels, along with other hormones.
They also know that estrogens increase immune function while androgens suppress it, and that the estrogen-testosterone balance is off in women with lupus. And in both test tube and animal studies, they've seen that DHEA reduced the production of some cytokines, the molecular messengers that prompt release of inflammatory substances that can cause lupus symptoms.
Some Serious Questions
While researchers saw no significant side effects during the first major study, they emphasize that the full range of risks and benefits from DHEA isn't yet known. It's only now being tested on men, and research has raised some questions about the potential long-range effects, particularly its effect on some cancers.
Because DHEA has been shown to increase estrogen and testosterone levels, there's concern it could contribute to existing hormonally influenced cancers, such as breast, ovarian and uterine cancers in women and prostate cancer in men.
One doctor reported that a man's prostate cancer worsened after he took DHEA for fatigue symptoms. In the first multi-center study, researchers found some post-menopausal women on DHEA had estrogen levels equal to those on hormone replacement. That's troubling - taking estrogen without also taking progesterone is a known risk factor for endometrial (uterine) cancer, says Michelle Petri, MD, director of The Lupus Center at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and a principal investigator in the study.
DHEA also lowered the production of HDLs (the "good" cholesterol) in some women, which could raise total cholesterol levels, inviting associated problems such as heart attacks and strokes. In a different study, women taking very high doses of DHEA developed insulin resistance, which could mean problems for those with diabetes.
What Doctors Say
A few doctors prescribe prescription-grade DHEA to treat lupus patients who have difficulty tolerating standard drugs, carefully monitoring them for side effects.
Dr. Petri, however, suggests patients and doctors wait until more is known. "I can understand why patients want it now," she says, "but there is an ongoing study. We'd like to wait for those results, so patients can know the benefits and the risks."
Dr. Petri is particularly concerned about people self-treating. "DHEA is a drug," she says, "and no one should be taking a drug over-the-counter that requires physician monitoring. If something is strong enough to work, it's strong enough to harm."
Those who self-treat end up using DHEA that is sold over-the-counter as a "dietary supplement." These products are possibly ineffective - and potentially unsafe.
A Genelabs-sponsored study by SRI International, a research lab in Menlo Park, Calif., showed there's no way to ensure consistency in quality or dosage. The researchers there examined 16 randomly-chosen DHEA products: One provided no DHEA at all, two claimed 25 mg per dose yet actually had only .5 mg, and one contained doses half again as strong as the label claimed.
Also, nutritional supplements may contain harmful additives, or fillers such as alfalfa, which can stimulate the immune system and worsen lupus, according to lupus expert Daniel J. Wallace, MD, clinical professor of medicine at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center at the UCLA School of Medicine and one of the study's investigators.
Experts advise a hands-off policy when it comes to over-the-counter DHEA. Still, they realize, some people will decide to try it despite the risks. If you are considering trying it, they advise the following:
* Tell your doctor. Ask if she's willing to find a reliable source of prescription-grade DHEA for you. If she can not - or will not - ask her to at least monitor your condition through frequent checkups.
* Stay on your physician-prescribed treatment plan, including taking prescribed medications.
* Monitor your cholesterol levels and blood pressure regularly, particularly if you already have or know that you may be predisposed to coronary artery disease.
* Be aware DHEA may cause greasy skin, acne, excessive sweating, plus facial hair and other masculinizing traits in women.
* Plan regular gynecological exams or prostate cancer tests. DHEA may increase the risks of hormonally influenced cancers.
* Don't take DHEA if you are pregnant or nursing without consulting your doctor.
* Be aware that there may be increased risks to taking DHEA if you have a type of cancer that may be hormonally influenced, or a family history or other risk factors for such cancer; if you are already taking hormone replacement therapy; or if you have diabetes."
06-23-2005, 08:53 AM
Great info Saysusie, thanks!
06-23-2005, 10:22 PM
I have been trying to import it from an internet vitamin supplier but will go to my doctor to see if I can get Rx...
Great article. I have been googling the topic but haven't come across it. Luckily, my cancer isn't hormone sensitive!
07-13-2005, 01:04 PM
A bigwig Seattle Doc that presented at the Pacific NW Lupus Symposium throught LFA said he recommends DHEA to his patients that have moderate level Lupus. He said it probably would not be effective for people like me, with more severe Lupus (ie organ involvement)
07-13-2005, 05:05 PM
My rheumy and I have discussed it, decided to wait a bit. I may try it some time later, if my lupus gets more severe. Right now it is blessedly mild, so we're leaving things as status quo.
Thanks for the great info!
07-14-2005, 12:49 PM
Have been taking DHEA 50 mg daily for over a week now. Don't know if the effect is psychological, but it is the first week I haven't slept all day every day (or at least a good part of the days). My son and I went to Italy for the weekend and I only had a tiny flare up.
I am hoping this is cumulative. I am buying the DHEA over the counter in the US and having it sent to me by Mom. Wouldn't it be wonderful if this could make a difference?
Let me know your stories...
07-15-2005, 04:34 AM
LaLondon, another lupus-friend of mine has had excellent results with DHEA. She is monitored regularly by her doc, and receives regular blood tests to check levels of the hormones (and something else?) in her blood. Also her liver enzymes get checked.
Be careful with self medicating, for all the reasons SaySusie outlined. Be sure your doc is at least aware tht you are taking the supplement.
That said, I'm so glad you're feeling better with the supplement! :)
08-10-2005, 07:53 AM
As I said, DHEA has really helped me.
Ive been doing really well, then I used to be. My hair stopped falling out, thank god, and its growing again..
Im back at work, 4 hrs a day, and in another month, Ill be going full time.
My body really isnt bothering me much, and Ive had a lot of energy.
Im back on my plaquenil, and down to 10 mg of prednisone.
Ive got SLE, and unfortunately, I did start back smoking again. I had quit for 6 months...
but..I really do recommed DHEA. I really didnt think it would work, but it has. Its unreal. I only take 50 mg a day too. He wanted me to take 100, but I forgot, and just have been taking 1 pill. LOL
08-19-2005, 09:23 PM
Here are some other articles regarding DHEA:
08-21-2005, 10:12 AM
I have taken DHEA (75mg) for about 6 months now. It was just increased from 50 mg to 75mg because I keep flaring. My naturopatic MD insists it is essential as a SLE patient to take this. I take 50mg in the morning and 25mg at night. Has it helped? I don't know - I'm on so much stuff and have so many flares these days I couldn't tell you, but my faith in it lives on. I have read many things about DHEA and it seems to be essential no matter where you read about it. My Immunology MD and General MD both agree it is fine and good to take. Hope that helps.