PDA

View Full Version : Prednisone-Induced Diabetes.



also_ran
05-14-2008, 07:51 PM
I just got back from the doctor today and he said he thinks my stomach problems (and food intolerance) are from Prednisone-Induced Diabetes :mad:

I was very worried about developing diabetes while on the prednisone. I was already at a higher risk because it runs in my family AND years ago I had been on other meds (mostly anti-depressants) that had the effects as the prednisone.

I haven't been on prednisone for a few months now (the last attempt I felt like it was going to kill me I was so sick). And I've been taking care of myself exercising, staying active, trying to eat right (I haven't had fast food in months). But I am still totally frustrated because I don't want to have to take all kinds of meds for this. I read somewhere that most of the time this kind of diabetes will go away after the drug is stopped but sometimes if you are already at risk for developing it, you can develop full-blown diabetes.

Does anyone have any information or experiance with this??? My problem seems to be, I can't eat without throwing up. So a good portion of the time my diet consists of coke and crackers. I know the coke isn't good for me (especially if i have diabetes) but its all i can stomach. Also I live on disability so my financial situation leaves me struggling to afford healthy food. Suggestions?

Faith
05-14-2008, 08:30 PM
Hi also_ran,

My mom has been a diabetic for 40 + years and never had problems with throwing up after eating. She does have percious anemia and gets Vitamin B12 shots due to her stomache lining not metabolizing the nutrients and acids, etc. I would get a second opinion on it.

I was diagnosed 7 years ago and found a great book called "The Diabetes Cure" by Vern Cherewatenko, MD. Read it and started taking Garcinia Cambogia capsules with water one hour prior to eating and have been able to control blood sugars. I was told by a nutritionist to not exceed 40 carbs per meal.

I hope this helps. I would really get another opinion on it. It sounds very strange for Diabetes. Keep us updated and take care.

Faith 8)

sick n tired
05-15-2008, 08:28 PM
Hi also_ran,

We haven't met...I have been pretty ill and with my daughter too that it is real hard to post right now.

I am sorry to hear that you are having all those stomach problems. I have Barretts Esophogus and I do know the pain and vomiting in that area. Have you tried any over the counter meds like Mylanta and Pepcid complete? Of course, if you don't also have reflux (burning) then possibly that wont help. Mylanta is sugar free, but the sorbital can cause loose stools.

I have diabetes in my family, too. I had gestational diabetes years ago when I was pregnant and was told that made me a candidate for diabetes in later years.

I will keep you in my thoughts,

Karen

Razzleberry
05-18-2008, 11:08 AM
I also had gestational diabetes ( 11 lb 5 oz daughter!!) but so far I am diabetes free ...even with prednisone and all it's craziness. I know they test for it all the time tho and hope I can keep it at bay.

I didn't know diabetes caused stomach problems. You poor thing. Throwing up after meals cannot be fun. Surely a dietician could find a bland tolerable diet for you. Have you thought to ask the doctor for a referral?

Thinking of you and wishing you a wonderfully filling meal that stays where it should.

Pretti in Pink
05-18-2008, 05:09 PM
Also_ran,

I had prednisone induced diabetes when I was on high doses of prednisone and even had to take a very light dosage med. I also followed the nutritional advice for reg. diabetics, such as no sugar, watching carbs, etc.

The good thing is that as my doses decreased so did the diabetes, it went away and I no longer take the meds or suffer with the diabetes.

Hang in there and probably start off in moderation as to keep from binging on those things you feel you will miss.

sits_inthe_corner
05-18-2008, 05:36 PM
Hugs also_ran

I'm so sorry you're going through this...it's very frustrating when the medication we take that is supposed to help us manage turns on us and causes major health problems that frankly scare the bageebers out of us.

Take some comfort in what Pretti in Pink said down there. Hopefully yours will fade off eventually too.

Keeping you in my thoughts :)

Suzique
05-23-2008, 08:29 PM
Also_Ran, I am catching up on posts from the last week and a half, as I have been studying and not able to get on here too much lately, so I am just now reading this thread. I try very, very hard never to be "know it all" about anything, despite many, many years as a nurse. However, your situation makes me feel the need to jump forward and speak out. I was a certified diabetic educator (CDE) - something you cannot get without a minimum of 2 years FULL TIME teaching on diabetes, special classes, etc. I never, ever heard of diabetes causing you to throw up, unless you had a blood sugar level off the charts and were in ketoacidosis or non-ketotic acidosis. Just having elevation in your blood sugar should not cause a symptom like that. I would be very concerned that there was something else causing the vomiting, and your need to medicate the problem with coke and crackers may be contributing to the elevated blood sugar. However, if something is not done about the problem (whatever it is) that is causing you to vomit, it will be hard for you to eat properly for controlling your blood sugar. I have racked my brain to figure out why a doctor would tell you that diabetes was causing you to vomit. Just can't come up with a single reason. PLEASE get a second opinion. Is there another doc you could go to? An endocrinologist for the diabetes (he/she would certainly know diabetes was not causing you to throw up) or a gastro doc for the vomiting? Unfortunately, doctors are often pushed to see more patients than they should in order to make enough money to cover their overhead, and sometimes that means throwing out useless (and wrong) information to just get a complicated case moved out of the way. You may require some testing to figure out your problem, and maybe that doc didn't feel he had the time to think about what to order, write the order, then read the report when it comes in, call you about it, etc. There is a lot to it. However, you need that to be done. Your body is missing out on a great deal of nutrition, and it may continue to function, but your tissues are losing elasticity, your bones are not making blood cells like they should, you cannot even make antibodies at all without protein (not in crackers or coke).
Please forgive my rampage - this is one of my soapboxes - misleading patients and allowing them to continue to be ill because of our rushed outlook on everything. I do so hope you can and will see someone else and get to the bottom of all this. I will keep you in my prayers.
Let us know.

Susan

Saysusie
05-24-2008, 07:52 AM
Suzique;
I am SOOO thankful that you wrote this post. My Mom has diabetes and has been throwing up. She is always reticent to go to the doctor and has been increasing her intake red wine (ugh, that makes me so angry-especially given the fact that she is, already, an alcoholic) to deal with the nausea. I know nothing about diabetes, but I did not think that it was the cause of her nausea. I keep telling her to check her blood pressure because I have a horrible feeling that it may be too high and, therefore, causing her nausea.
Also, she tells me over and over that drinking wine is good for her diabetes and that her doctors allow her to do so. I find this incredible and I can't seem to get through to her that I think just the opposite is happening. She was able to control her diabetes with diet and exercise; but she would not give up the wine. Now, she is on insulin and saying that the wine is ok because the insulin brings her numbers back down. Please tell me, am I wrong to think that the constant consumption of wine is doing her harm? I am going to print your post about the nausea, maybe then she'll listen to me and speak to her doctor about it and check her blood pressure.
I know this is a bit of a change...me asking the questions! But, you seem to be very knowledgeable in this area and I need some help!

Thanks Ever So Much
Saysusie

TERIOD
05-24-2008, 07:55 AM
alcohol is sugar, and sugar is a no no for a hi blood sugar diabetic, i too have pred/induce diabetes with no vomiting and as my dose decreases so does my diabetes(thank god) My sugar nazi (cde) has gone over these things with me and also understands prednisone is in control so i maintian with diet only
Terry

Saysusie
05-24-2008, 09:18 PM
I am glad to hear someone, besides myself, say that alcohol is sugar! Yet, my mother claims that it is "good" sugar and that she can consume it. It is just so frustrating to me and I am not allowed to speak with her doctor...so I am at a loss.

Thanx for the info, Teriod! I am glad that you are able to keep your numbers under control!

Peace and Blessings
Saysusie

TERIOD
05-24-2008, 09:52 PM
Thanx for the info, Teriod! I am glad that you are able to keep your numbers under control!

Peace and Blessings
Saysusie

:mad: :evil: 8) could be better numbers :P

Saysusie
05-25-2008, 09:47 AM
Yea...I guess that is sorta our mantra for everything since we are dealing with this disease and all of its luggage - "Could Be Better!". But, you are working very hard at keeping your numbers as low as you can. So, that is something to be proud of.

Keep Well
Peace and Blessings
Saysusie

Suzique
05-31-2008, 12:14 PM
SaySusie,
I feel terrible that I have not checked this thread lately!
Glad you were able to get something out of my rambling. I get so upset with the misinformation so many diabetics have, due to lack of information given to them. YEAH! Teriod! You have a CDE! It is good to have the benefit of information. And, yes, of course alcohol is a sugar and there is no "good kind" for diabetics!! Sugar is sugar (including all carbs). Of course, given the choice between an apple and a cookie, the apple is better, because of the nutrients and fiber, but it still effects the system like a sugar, period.
Unfortunately, your mom is using the excuse as a reason to continue taking in what she shouldn't. It is really common. But the diabetes is not what is making her throw up, more than likely (again, if her sugar levels are way up there, it actually could be). The reason I am vague on "up there" is because that ceiling could be 400 for one person and 800 for another. I have seen people grossly symptomatic at 360, but others walking and talking rationally at 700. So, everyone has a limit to what their body tolerates, and it is possible she is beyond her tolerance. But most likely, she is throwing up for other reasons. If her blood pressure is up, for example, she might not be getting adequate blood supply to her stomach and intestines, making digestion poor and causing nausea and vomiting. Continued elevation of blood pressure can cause a host of problems, so she really doesn't want that to go on, unchecked. Also, does she check her sugar often?
The excuse of "the insulin brings it down" drives me nuts. I used to work with an ER nurse - highly intelligent and skilled - who would eat candy and do other crazy things (get drunk) and would check his sugar and "cover" his lapses with extra insulin. The drastic ups and downs of the sugar caused by this kind of activity is actually doing lots of harm to the body inside. Stressing and shocking the body like slapping it back and forth.
(print that for your mom - ask her to picture her insides getting slapped around - not a pretty sight)
Well, hope this helps some more with your mom. Sorry I took so long to get to this post. My hands get sore and tight, and I only get through so much each time I come before I flake out and stop.
I need to learn how to use the "responses to my posts" thingy you guys have here, to prevent this from happening. I'll work on it.

Susan

Saysusie
06-09-2008, 11:52 AM
Susizue;
No need to apologize at all. I printed your response, made a few editions so that she would not know that we were talking specifically about her, and gave it to her. I "bolded" the part about the insides being slapped around.
I am at my wits end with her because nothing I do or say has made a difference and she keeps telling me that her doctor's say that it is OK to drink (I am convinced that she is not telling them HOW much she drinks).
Thank you so much for responding and for the information. I will not give up on her, but it just makes me so very angry and sad, at the same time.
Thank Again :lol:
Peace and Blessings
Saysusie

sits_inthe_corner
06-09-2008, 04:47 PM
Hugsss Saysusie,

I too worried about my parents and tried to talk sense into both of them. I didn't get very far. Especially with my father's doctor. :roll:

My father had a serious drinking problem. Truely there was nothing I could do. I dont know if your mom has a problem or not, and I do not mean to infer that she does.

The main concern I hear, is of her diabetes with the wine. I just wanted to say that if you feel like you are beating your head against a brick wall...you are.

You love your mom and you want her to take care of her health. For the sake of your own health you have to let go of some of your worry.

I know...I tried everything to help my dad. Unless they want to do something...it's NOT going to happen. I almost lost my mind. I'd burst into tears at the drop of a dime.

Best you can do is give her the information and let it be. She knows you love her and you worry about her.

Have you asked your own doctor about how much wine would be considered safe for someone with diabetes?

Saysusie
06-10-2008, 03:58 PM
Suzique;
My mother is an alcoholic! I have to be blunt and just say it, because I spent so many, many years in denial about her drinking until I started therapy after the loss of my daughter. It was during those years of therapy that I was helped to realize that my mom is an alcoholic. So, you are, in no way, interfering!
My fear, since she lives alone, is that she will go into a diabetic coma and be there for hours and hours before anyone even knows (or days and days when we are on vacation). Yes, I spend my vacations worrying about my mother!
I know that you are right, I have to let go. Perhaps I need a bit more therapy to help me to do that :lol:
I have spoken with my doctors and was told that she should not consume any amount of alcohol if she is diabetic. I tell her what my doctor's say and she tells me that her diabetes specialists says that she can have "some" wine (like I said, I'm sure that she's not telling them how much wine she drinks - she drinks ALL DAY LONG!!!). She uses the same glass and keeps refilling it...so she says that she's only had ONE GLASS of wine (she thinks I'm stupid or that I don't see what she's doing!). I see gallon bottles of wine get consumed in one day...that is not "some" wine!
Anyway, I'm ranting again....sorry! I will do my best to take your advice and I can't tell you how much I appreciate you helping me with this. It sort of consumes me, I guess! I really have to work on that, I know!
Thank You So Much for your help, your understanding, and your concern.

Peace and Blessings
Saysusie